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Well I finally decided it was time to put some armor on the gas tank. I had yet to really do anything but scratch the paint on the current skid, so I'm very pleased with how strong the new factory skid is. The Toys by Troy skid is a brute. Shipped at 69lbs. Weighs in at 61lbs. Real nice. This is the same weight as the Kilby's skid. We used the FSM to take this thing apart and install the new skid. Some people have managed to do this mod without dropping the tank, just unbolting the straps and skid. We choose to do it the other way. Drop the tank. You will need to make certain that you get as much gas out as possible from the tank otherwise it will be really heavy and hard to move around. Since this install was almost exactly like the Kilby's install I was lazy and reused some pics from that install, so you'll notice a white Rubi in a couple pics.
Additional
Parts: (Possibly) Zip Tie |
Tools
Needed: 13mm Socket Scribe Small Screwdriver Diagonal Cutters T-25 Torque Phillips Screwdriver Pliers Floor Jack |
Now I had heard a lot of talk about fuel pumps failing after installing raised gas tank skids without the dimple in them. So I figured I would do a little investigations to see if I could come up with some ideas about why they could fail. I decided to go ahead and remove the fuel pump and do some measurements. I already had a good theory running in my head since I had pulled the fuel pump on my ZJ a while back. The TJ pump turns out be almost identical (bottom filter is different). I managed to lose my notes on this one so I don't have actual measurements, but I do remember the important ones. I checked the measurements a few different ways to see how much the dimple would actually compress inside of the tank. I first just put my body weight on it but felt that the numbers might be a little skewed due to weight on top of the tank, so next I filled the tank with 19gallons of water (yes, I measured). Now this weight was a little bit more than what the fuel would actually weight, but specific gravity is a lesson for another day. The final math worked out to the below.
Dimple
Depth |
3/8" |
Fuel Pump
Assembly Compression |
1/4" |
Obvious Math |
-1/8" |
As you can see the measurements show that if you crush the dimple you are putting about 1/8" of compression force on the top of the tank. In 1. and 2. you can see the gap between the plastic top housing and the metal cylinder. The top is spring loaded to ensure that the filter sits at the very bottom of the tank. When it was installed in my tank there was only 1/4" of gap remaining. Now if I had compressed the dimple all the way that cylinder would have wanted to push the plastic housing up. That filter that is on the bottom also has a plastic foot on it that is just a small ring. You can break and crush it easily (I experimented with the old filter from the ZJ, it squashed easily). Oh if your wondering what that silverish cylinder is on the top of the assembly, that's your fuel filter/ pressure regulator for the Jeep.
In reality could we probably get away with this like it is. I won't say yes. So it all falls back to your preference. Kilby states that you need a BL for his, but Troy says you don't. Funny that the skids measured out exactly the same as far as lift. When I did the Kilby's on Rubicon with a 1.25" BL we didn't have much room left after the install. When I installed the TBT on mine with the 1.25" BL I was even closer. Mine did have a mod installed just to handle the dimple which you'll see.
As you can see by the pic's there is very little clearance between the bottom of the tub and the top of the straps. It was about 3/8". So if I didn't have a BL in my case I would have been crushing the top of the tank down. Where was the force going to go. FUEL PUMP. So my current stand on this will be for the Short Wheelbase 2003 and 2004 you need at least a 1" BL to install either of the skids. Now I do know that the 2005 Rubicon Unlimited has a different tank and layout underneath, but you'll have to go look at the write up when it's out. I will also recommend the following cheap mod to protect the dimple in the tank for all skids.
Gas Tank Mod: | ||
Pic up two 6" rubber pipe coupler from the local hardware store (Lowe's, Home Depot). The rubber on this 3/8" deep, so it's perfect for spacing the dimple out. You may find these in the aisle with sewer or drainage pipe. | ||
1. Cut the coupler down along the side so that you have a long strip. You will be making 2 long strips and 2 short strips out of this. | ||
2. Measure and cut the long strip first. These will be the 2 supports along either side of the dimple. My measurements were 13". This will leave 2 small strips that we will use in the corners of the skid to support the tank. | ||
3.
Lay the strips into the tank, long ones on either side of where
the dimple will be, and the short ones in the corners. |
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4.
Test fit the tank to make certain everything lines up. |
N-m | Ft. Lbs. | In. Lbs. | |
Skid plate mounting nuts |
16 | - | 141 |
This page last updated: 16-Apr-2008
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